lou: and we are still listening to the former secretary of state, hillary clinton, acknowledging she was not involved in the operations that take. the president himself was not involved. secretary of defense panetta said they had one conversation, and that was it. this that astonish you? >> it sounds like these people are trying to absolve themselves of gilts or any sort of association with was happen that night. and i can say what was going on in the oval office that night. it's time for somebody to take responsibility. you know, i would liken it to the bay of pigs fiasco where president kennedy came forward and took responsibility. we need somebody to do that now and dedicate themselves toward fixing whatever went wrong then night. lou: you gentleman offered. again, involving, as you would guess, all of the special operations folks out there working. what is this sense, if i can call it a community, what is the sense among the community about what is going on now? i cannot imagine the route -- morale being very high. >> i think a big issue that i have talked on lately is, we have r